Iconoclasts vs. Iconolaters

topic posted Sun, February 1, 2004 - 7:55 PM by  Matthew
Iconoclasm to me, is about a kind of idealism. You "break" the image because the image itself only represents an idea--it is not the idea itself. You recognize and call attention to all of the artificial constructs in life (in written, spoken, and visual language) in order to lay a common ground that has a humanistic spirit (oxymoron?) at its core.

As much as iconoclasm today has strong anti-religious sentiments, Iconoclasm is of Christian origins, which is where this connection with idealism started. You break the images or symbols of god because it is not god. It was a movement against idolotry with roots in Islam (a modern day example of iconoclasm is the Taliban's much-publicized destruction of ancient Buddhist statues in Afghanistan).

Yup. That's our history. Iconoclasts started as religious nuts. Fanatics directed by Roman Emperors, no less! Enforcers of the dominant paradigm, they were!

While the religious dogma has been washed away, iconoclasm today still seems to have a resolute idealism at its core. If you destroy all images because they lie, then you believe in some truth or reality beyond the image which cannot be conveyed by it.

But images, these illusions, have power. In this way, the iconolaters (religious figures, advertisers, marketers, politicians) can successfully manipulate illusions and wield them with great effectiveness. The ones who control the illusion always will prevail.

But the iconoclast does not want to control the illusion, even though, as even we ourselves know, our iconoclasm is simply another mask, another form of illusion. Or is it to be called truth? But calling it so would hasten our departure from iconoclasm.

So how does an iconoclast subvert the dominant paradigm without falling prey to losing the very ideals which they hold most dear? And is an iconoclast a more zealous advocate of idealism than the iconolaters and their fervent worshipping of their idols?

It seems to me that you can only go two ways with it: nihilism or idealism. Probably a trap of binary thinking on my part.

So, iconoclasts, where does our path lead? or does such a path exist for us?

just some thoughts...
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Matthew
  • Re: Iconoclasts vs. Iconolaters

    Mon, February 2, 2004 - 5:53 PM
    oh that's so cool, matthew... yeah I was thinking how it's like in nature one thing replaces another. If you're an inconoclast you become an icon for smashing that which came before, but then you're up on the pedastal just begging to be taken down. That's my "reluctant cultural icon" joke. The other part of that is the Andy Warhol approach of scavenging to supercede, rather than subvert exclusively, and to claim to be a "reluctant icon," but of course to actually be a whore in order to reap the icon booty. Or something like that... :)
    • Re: Iconoclasts vs. Iconolaters

      Mon, February 2, 2004 - 7:45 PM
      yes, if one destroys, then, knowing that destruction is necessarily a creative act, one should always be mindful of what one is creating. Since, once birthed into the world, a new creation is then just as vulnerable to subsequent destruction by others who see it as false.

      the ultimate iconoclasm would be to show the complete absence behind every icon. I think it would read something like a Samuel Beckett novel than a Situationist International treatise on detournment.

      I love the idea of reaping the icon booty. sort of like a metaphysical piracy!

      * m *
      • Re: Iconoclasts vs. Iconolaters

        Tue, February 3, 2004 - 9:43 AM

        tee~hee! wow I love it when your reference Beckett and the Situationists. ;)
        • Re: Iconoclasts vs. Iconolaters

          Tue, February 3, 2004 - 7:42 PM
          Yeah I can namedrop like nobody's business!

          in the end they're just words...

          so do we break the words and images because they lie? or do we break the words and images because they are inherently false? It's politics vs. metaphysics.

          The Situationists believed you could subvert the icons and use the power of the image against itself to achieve political and personal liberation. In their version of iconoclasm, the power of the image was never in question.

          Beckett believed there was nothing behind the curtain... that images just masked absences... so there was no point dicking around with sleight-of-hand magic tricks while the great void hovered omniously above your head, at any moment ready to engulf you in complete and utter darkness and isolation.

          or something like that...

          * m *
  • Re: Iconoclasts vs. Iconolaters

    Fri, July 7, 2006 - 3:12 AM
    When I think of Iconolators and iconoclasts, I think Baudrillard's essay in "Simulacra and Similation."

    Iconoclasts are those who stand, in their idealism, and say, THIS means... what is behind this is nothing.

    We understand the meaning of things whereas iconolators start to worship the nothingness behind that which means and thus perverts it.

    Does that make sense?

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